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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
Subject: Re: Help: TELNET/K95 - Atten J.Altman
Date: 19 Jun 1999 22:47:53 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Message-ID: <7kh6mp$1eo$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>
To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu
In article <7kgklm$mts@journal.concentric.net> you write:
: Jeffrey Altman (jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: : In article <7keio5$hr3@chronicle.concentric.net>,
: : R. S. K. <See end of message> wrote:
: It's on the public internet:
: linex3.linex.com [port] 5000 [IP 206.54.38.11]
: if you'd like to try it yourself. You don't need to have an account
: to see the effect I speak of--just attempt to log in.
The service on this port does not adhere to the Telnet Protocol
specification. It uses LF as the end of line indicator during NVT
mode instead of CR-LF. It does not actually perform telnet negotiations.
And when sent WILL BINARY, DO BINARY it responds with an endless
stream of
IAC DONT IAC
IAC WONT IAC
which is just plain broken. It does not negotiate echo handling so
all echoing must be performed by K95.
The reason that this service would work at all in Unix is that LF is the
natural end of line indicator. However, when connecting to this
service you should not connect to it with Telnet negotiations active.
Use RAW mode.
My guess is that this service is a MUD which is not meant to be used
with Telnet clients but with MUD clients. K95 is not a MUD client.
: I must say that K95 was, for me, the end of a very long and very
: frustrating search for a telnet client on Windoze that would NOT
: cause me to tear my hair out with anger. It's one of the few
: Windoze programs I feel I can trust. The one "enhancement" I would
: like to see to console mode is a "chat" interface that isolates the
: keyboard input in its own area, at the bottom, and sends it to the
: remote host when Enter is struck.
This is Telnet Line Mode. A real chat interface would be something
different.
: I mention this only because you
: are clearly on the development team and have input on such matters.
I guess I do. :)
: It's the sort of interface that many of the old telecom packages
: had, optionally, and there are some telnet sites for which it is
: useful. (Alternatively, if you have a kermit script that accomplishes
: this purpose, I'd like a copy.) For MUD's, MOO's, etc., it is very
: helpful.
Right. But MUD's and MOO's require a very different interface than
Telnet. K95 is just not the correct product to be used in that
environment.
: I feel intense gratitude to people such as those in the Kermit
: project, who are the last few around that keep the computer in its
: place as a TOOL that obeys my commands, rather than a troublesome,
: smart-aleck cross between a video-game and a TV set! God bless
: all of you!--I mean it! I can't tell you how often Kermit (in its
: various ports) has "saved my life" and rescued data which everybody
: else, in the army of point-and-click dummies, thought was lost forever.
:
: Pardon my gushing--I wasn't expecting an answer from someone on the
: development team, and I've been bottling up my admiration for a long
: time.
Thanks.
--
Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
The Kermit Project * Columbia University
612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org
Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
The Kermit Project * Columbia University
612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org